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CLICK, WHIRRING

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Previously on The Hack...

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Hacking phones at the
News Of The World has been endemic.

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Endemic?

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They've hacked thousands.

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There is an industry
making huge profit

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from invading
people's private lives,

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and Rupert Murdoch's
bullying tabloids

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have explicitly encouraged it
and are buying it.

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Charlotte Harris?
Nick Davies of The Guardian.

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I can't talk to you
about specific cases,

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but I can tell you
there is so much more to come.

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Show me what you have.

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A printout of an email
proving a payment of £7,000

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to Mulcaire
for a story on Gordon Taylor.

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And the police have access
to all of this and more.

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In my opinion, what I have seen

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is a most careful investigation
by very experienced detectives.

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'And since no additional evidence
has come to light,

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'I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.'

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Keir Starmer's conducting a review.

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And now the CMS Select Committee
want to see us urgently.

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Are you reading the statement?
No.

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But I do have things to say.

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DIALLING,
THUNDER RUMBLING

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'Welcome to your voicemail.

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'You have three new messages.

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'To listen to your messages,
press one.'

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BEEP

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'Papa here.
Just wondering when you're over.

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'Oh, er, the kitchen tap
seems to be fixed now,

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'which is good. So, er...'
BEEP

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'Message deleted. Next message.'

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'Nick, it's Sheridan.

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'Erm, just to say I got a call
from the bank today.

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'They said it's in relation
to the remortgage, but...'

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SHE SIGHS
'..I felt like someone was fishing.'

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BEEP
'Message deleted.

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'Next message.'

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'Nick, we're putting together
a legal response for Alan.

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'But we need to speak to you
about the Select Committee....'

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VOICE FADES
INTO FEEDBACK

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THUNDER RUMBLING

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Oh, God.

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Don't you dare.

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Has Alan rung again?
Possibly.

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Possibly?

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Could be the school telling me
my son's broken his leg.

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Or Rebekah Brooks
declaring surrender.

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Or it could be Alan
asking where I am

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and whether David Leigh
is with me.

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I didn't answer.
I didn't want to lie to him.

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Perhaps he'll leave a voicemail.

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Why are we here? Good question.

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Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.

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Now, we have a lot of questions,

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so try and keep
opening statements short.

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I'd like to keep this whole
experience quite short, if I may.

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ATTENDEES CHUCKLING
Erm, but I do have...

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There is quite a lot for me to say.

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I'd like to start by showing you,
first of all, copies of an email.

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With respect, Mr Davies,

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er, we have quite a few questions
for you. I understand.

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But I think your questions
will be given context...

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Let's open with a question from...
Mr Whittingdale.

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Do you want the evidence or not?

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I would like to read it.

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Yup?
OK.

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There you go.
OK.

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This is an email
sent for Neville Thurlbeck,

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Chief Reporter
for News Of The World.

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A document the police have had
for some time.

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A document that contains
transcripts of hacked voicemails.

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I hope you'll agree
this backs up our claims.

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But what's more unsettling
is that Scotland Yard

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have never arrested
or interviewed Neville Thurlbeck.

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My chief concern is...

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Mr Davies,
this is all very dramatic,

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but if we can get back
to the matter in hand.

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Mr Whittingdale, I'm very worried

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that News International journalists
have been breaking the law.

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And equally worried
that Scotland Yard

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do not appear
to have investigated them.

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ATTENDEES MURMURING

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Mr Davies,
this is all very dramatic.

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It's amazing what you can do with
kids' glue and some black paper.

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You... You got your kids
to redact a...

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They enjoyed it. They like craft.

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Good revolutionaries.

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BOTH CHUCKLE
Yeah.

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What was that letter
Che Guevara wrote to his kids?

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PHONE BUZZES

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Alan.

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Hi.

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No, it was fine.

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I think we got away with it.

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What are they saying?

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Yes.

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HE INHALES SHARPLY

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Can you just... Yes.

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Right. Thanks for letting me know.

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David Leppard, The Sunday Times.

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Why is Leppard phoning you?

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Er, it wasn't him.

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Leppard's spreading a story

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that I hired John Ford
to hack voicemail.

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It's apparently all over Parliament.

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John Ford, the blagger?
You wouldn't use John Ford.

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They're saying it's in relation
to our investigation of Monsanto.

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I did use an intelligence firm.

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Limosis.

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It's possible they...
subcontracted to John Ford.

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Well, The Guardian
isn't in trouble any more.

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I am.

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DOG BARKING

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John Ford.

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John Ford had had his hand

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in and out of Alastair Campbell's
trash for years.

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But his real talent
was for blagging.

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An ex-actor with style.
He did all sorts to get all sorts.

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Gordon Brown's bank records,
for one.

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And Alan may have hired him,
which...

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Well...
DAVID SNORING

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..the newspaper industry
loves a bit of hypocrisy to expose.

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BIRDSONG

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Morning.

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Not the face you were
hoping to wake up to?

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HE GRUNTS

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You know, I think the time has come
to admit

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that John Ford isn't home.

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David Leigh, investigations editor
at The Guardian.

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Also, Alan's brother-in-law.

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The Sunday Times
have got him well hid.

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NICK GROANS, SNIFFS

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I think we can give him another day.

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Perhaps we can get hold of
Alan's paper trail?

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Get inside the intelligence firm.

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Start again.

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It'll take too long,
they'll publish before...

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Then Alan will take a hit,
and we hope he survives it.

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But sitting here, Nick...

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..it's getting us nowhere.

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This is not all my fault.

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Murdoch's an eel.

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He's entirely relentless.

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I'm not picking a fight
with Murdoch.

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No.

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You're picking a fight
with our entire industry.

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PHONE BUZZES
Don't answer it.

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No, do. Do.
Don't let them leave a voicemail.

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NOTIFICATION CHIMES
It's an email. Oh.

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A statement from
the Crown Prosecution Service.

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The CPS says,

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"It's not appropriate to reopen
the case or revisit the decision."

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HE GROANS

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They're not backing us.

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What was it that John Yates
said about the case?

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Something about
a small number of, er...

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Of hacks, yeah.

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Our inquiries showed
that they only used the tactic

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against a far smaller number
of individuals.

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Page two.

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"Searched Mulcaire's office,
seized material which indicated

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"some non-royal cases
had been hacked." Yup.

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"The DPP states...

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"only a select sample of these
could be taken to court

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"because any other approach might
have made the case unmanageable."

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Unmanageable?
That suggests a lot of hacking.

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By more than one reporter.
Yeah.

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Almost an admission of such.

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I'll write, you call.

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Got it.
PHONE BEEPING

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That means
you need to leave the car.

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Got it. Yeah.

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Hi, this is Nick Davies
of The Guardian.

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'Hi there.'

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I need to speak to somebody
at the CPS

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about the Glenn Mulcaire
prosecution.

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'Er, yes, yes.
But specifically, how can I help?'

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Specifically?

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I want to know
what the police passed up

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and you declined to prosecute
because any other approach

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would have been, quote,
"unmanageable".

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'OK...'
I have information,

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particularly an email
that I want to discuss.

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'Er, yes, sir.
Erm, can I put you on hold?'

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Yes, I will hold.

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Really?

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The plot thickens.

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The Neville email was never flagged.

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The Met never flagged it to the CPS.

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Why not?

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I can't give this up.
It's too important.

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No, I know.

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But I won't let it hurt Alan.

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I'm not entirely sure
you can make that promise.

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BELL TOLLING

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Hi.
Hi.

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Made you a sandwich.
Oh, cheers.

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You look rough.

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Yeah, and you look beautiful

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I'm not sleeping.

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No, neither am I.

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Daniel Morgan.

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Anything I can...

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I can't tell you anything.
You know that.

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Is there something to tell...
No.

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Christ. Salmon and cream cheese, eh?

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Scottish salmon.
DAVE CHUCKLES

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And I need some
non-Daniel Morgan advice.

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You're saying poncy sandwiches
don't come free?

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Why would the Met not flag evidence
to the Crown Prosecution Service?

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CPS don't get everything.

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And everything it does get has to
pass the relevance test, right?

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Correct.
OK.

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So, is this relevant?

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They're transcripts
for Neville Thurlbeck,

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Chief Reporter
at the News of the Word.

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And they didn't get shown this?

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They put it through
as "unused material".

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Shit.

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Tell me.
What is happening in the Met?

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Well, there's obviously
a lot I can't tell you.

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But what I can say...

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is that ever since Stephen Lawrence,

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the Met have made it their job to...

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Well, Dick Fedorcio,
director of communications.

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Yeah, I've met him.

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He currently sits
on the Met's senior management team.

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Our comms chief,
not a police officer.

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And he has direct impact
on operational decisions.

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Good press matters that much?

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These meetings are dominated

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by how to get the cases
that are going well

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on the front of the tabloids

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and the cases that are
not going so well off them.

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By order of the Commissioner,

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Dick will wine and dine
the crime journalists.

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And guess who he meets the most?

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News Of The World and The Sun.

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But not flagging this to the CPS?

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It's bad. Very bad.
Look, will you stop doing that?

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You're making me jumpy.
I think I'm being watched.

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What, you got anything to hide?
You, for one thing.

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Hey, I'm just meeting a pal
for a poncy sandwich.

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Glenn Mulcaire
did a minimum 20,000 hours' work

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for the News Of The World.

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That's on record.
It's an industrial level of work.

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Which means he worked for far more
journalists than Clive Goodman.

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So, Neville Thurlbeck
appears to be one other, but...

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was he feeding all of them?

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Nick, just be careful, OK?

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See, these people...

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are not to be fucked with.

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PHONE RINGING

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FRIDGE DOOR OPENS,
CLOSES

258
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There you go, boys.

259
00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,960
Charlotte Harris.

260
00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,320
'Nick Davies.'

261
00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,800
Right.

262
00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,960
You sound delighted to hear from me.

263
00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,960
'Delighted and not surprised.

264
00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,960
'How'd you get this number?
Did you blag it?'

265
00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,960
Your office gave it to me.

266
00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,960
I can be very polite
and surprisingly charming.

267
00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,960
If you're calling about
the CPS enhancement,

268
00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,960
I'm as pissed off as you are,
but there's nothing I can do.

269
00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,960
Look, the CPS have a file
on Glenn Mulcaire.

270
00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,960
'You must know someone...'

271
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,960
Nick, I don't work for you,
and I've got to go.

272
00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:11,960
Good luck, and goodbye.

273
00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,960
Er, right. OK.

274
00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,320
Glenn Mulcaire.

275
00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,960
Chief phone hacker
for the News Of The World.

276
00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,960
Given six months' jail time
for the Clive Goodman case,

277
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,960
but now he's out and about.

278
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,480
And sniffing about.

279
00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,960
DOOR OPENS

280
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,480
Mr Mulcaire? Nick Davies.

281
00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:43,960
I saw you.

282
00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:44,960
Maroon Saab by the park.

283
00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,960
Think I'd do what I do
without being good at it?

284
00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,960
I don't know if you've been reading
my pieces in The Guardian?

285
00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,960
You taping this?

286
00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,960
No. No, I wouldn't do that
without your consent, Mr Mulcaire.

287
00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,960
It's Glenn.

288
00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,960
So, who else
are you talking to, Nick?

289
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,000
Got anyone good in the police?

290
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,960
Who's your snout at the screws?

291
00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,960
Who are YOU still talking to
at that paper?

292
00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,960
CHUCKLES SOFTLY
You're funny.

293
00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:10,960
Why are you here?

294
00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,480
Did you ever work for
Neville Thurlbeck?

295
00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,960
Oh, right.
Let me save you some time...

296
00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,960
I have an email written to you,

297
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,960
er, which is marked for Neville

298
00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,960
from Ross Hindley,
and it contains transcripts of 35...

299
00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960
Everything I did came out in court.

300
00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,960
Anything more than that,
I didn't do.

301
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,960
They cut you off, right?

302
00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,960
You do know you're still open
to future charges?

303
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,960
Get out now, before the whole thing
collapses on you.

304
00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,960
You know I've got five kids
in there.

305
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,960
And you come to my house
and what, threaten me?

306
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:40,960
I wasn't threatening you.

307
00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,960
You any idea
what you're dealing with?

308
00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,640
GLENN CHUCKLES

309
00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,960
Look, you do yours,
and I'll do mine, yeah?

310
00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:48,960
I wasn't threatening you.

311
00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,960
I was just telling you
they won't help.

312
00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,640
'OK, so, there is a lie
happening here.'

313
00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,960
The CPS memo shows this stretches
right inside News International.

314
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,960
Glenn Mulcaire
essentially confirmed it.

315
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,960
He didn't confirm it.

316
00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,960
I'm digging in. In the meantime,
I'd like to publish

317
00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,960
"Are Scotland Yard
Scared of Rupert Murdoch?"

318
00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,320
Saying what?

319
00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,160
Saying they...

320
00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,960
buried evidence which
should have been passed to the CPS.

321
00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,960
Poking the bear. Well, that's
what we do now. Poke the bear.

322
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,960
No. Can we just take a minute?
What's your angle here?

323
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,480
Well, I have two lines of attack.

324
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,960
One, to reveal
who was on their shopping list.

325
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,960
I need names. Much more of them.

326
00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,960
There were far more than, than...
three royals, five non-royals.

327
00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,960
I want to know
who signed off on these names.

328
00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,320
I need proof
it was more than Clive Goodman.

329
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,960
How will you get that?

330
00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,960
My second line of attack
is to get inside the police...

331
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,960
A mistake.
..to discover why this evidence

332
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:39,960
wasn't flagged to the CPS.

333
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,960
What criminality was ignored,
and why?

334
00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,320
John Yates called me and said
we've got the wrong end of the stick

335
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,960
with the police in all this.

336
00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,960
WE'RE on the wrong end of the stick?
Yes!

337
00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,960
Do you not think that's possible?

338
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,960
Look, are we sure this is sensible?

339
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,960
We're risking our relationship
with the police

340
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,800
and with good journalists
from other newspapers.

341
00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,960
Why? To root out a few bad apples.

342
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,960
It doesn't seem...
Bad apples, wrong sticks?!

343
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,960
I agree with Nick.

344
00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960
The Neville email is extraordinary,

345
00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,640
and the fact that
they didn't flag it to the CPS

346
00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,960
more extraordinary still.

347
00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,960
A chief reporter seems to have
been involved in hacking.

348
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,960
That didn't warrant
an investigation?

349
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,160
There are potentially
thousands of victims,

350
00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,960
but the Met
is only claiming a small number.

351
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,960
What do you think, Gill?

352
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,960
For a public interest defence,

353
00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,960
you need to be absolutely sure
of your facts.

354
00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,960
Right now, this feels a bit small.

355
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,960
I have to say I agree.

356
00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,640
Let's pause
on the Scotland Yard article.

357
00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,960
Let's let the PCC...

358
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,640
Press Complaints Commission.

359
00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,960
The PCC will
settle all of this down.

360
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,960
They'll back us,
and it will all be easier.

361
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,960
What else have we got?

362
00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,640
Something other than

363
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,960
"When's Gordon Brown going to call
this next damn election?"

364
00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,960
'Listen, Alan's nervous,
but he's right.'

365
00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,960
You need more, but the angles
you're pursuing, also right.

366
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,480
Who says the PCC are gonna back us?

367
00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,960
What, you don't think they will?

368
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,800
Why is Alan waiting for them?
You know we have to keep pushing.

369
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,160
It's kill or be killed.
We can't wait.

370
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,960
Yes. The Sunday Times
are getting ready to publish

371
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,960
on John Ford and Alan.

372
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,960
Right.
Mm.

373
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,960
Have Limosis come back
with any more?

374
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,960
Nothing that gives us
categorical proof.

375
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,960
He's in trouble.

376
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,960
Just give him time.

377
00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960
They're accusing him
of being a hypocrite.

378
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,960
We have hypocrisy on hypocrisy.
The world's gone mad.

379
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,960
Look, Nick...

380
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,960
Nick.

381
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,960
No, Nick. Nick, Nick.

382
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,960
Whatever you're doing, Nick, stop.
NICK DIALLING

383
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,960
LINE RINGING OUT

384
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,960
'Hello?'

385
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,960
Hi, this is Nick Davies
of The Guardian.

386
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,960
Can I have The Sunday Times
managing editor's office?

387
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,960
I mean it, Nick.

388
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,320
'Hello?'

389
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,960
Hi, this is Nick Davies
of The Guardian.

390
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,800
'Right.'
Yeah.

391
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960
I'd like confirmation,
on the record,

392
00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,960
of, A, how many times
you've made payments to John Ford

393
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,960
to blag into confidential databases,

394
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,960
and B, the period of time over which
these payments have been made.

395
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,960
'OK. We'll need to investigate.'

396
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,960
Of course. You'll need
to do some investigation.

397
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:11,960
You just call me back

398
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,960
whenever you've had the chance
to do so, yeah?

399
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,480
'Right.'

400
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,320
Great, thanks. Bye-bye.

401
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,320
GLENN SIGHS
Hi.

402
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,960
Peace offering.

403
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,160
I don't drink.

404
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960
Can I get you something softer?

405
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,960
A Mars bar?
GLENN CHUCKLES

406
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,960
Yeah, sure, I'd tell you
everything I know for a Mars bar.

407
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,960
I wasn't... I'm not threatening you.

408
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,000
No, no. You're Willy Wonka.
Chocolate for everyone.

409
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,960
NICK LAUGHS

410
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,960
I want to know
your side of the story.

411
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,960
How'd you find me here?

412
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,960
You're on the club's website.

413
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,160
You won the Big Break competition
two years ago. Congratulations.

414
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,960
In court transcripts,
it says that you worked for

415
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,960
News Of The World
for 70 hours a week.

416
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:01,960
Oh, here we go.

417
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,960
Over six years,
that's over 20,000 hours.

418
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,960
What were you doing for them
during that time?

419
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960
I'm a PI. I did PI work.

420
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,960
For who?

421
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,960
Because it wasn't just
Clive Goodman.

422
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,960
Oh, oh, oh. Naming names?
That's two Mars bars, at least.

423
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,160
I know you aren't to blame
for all this.

424
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,960
Your name is in the mud already.

425
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,960
If you explain exactly what you did
and who you were working for...

426
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960
Even if I wanted to tell you who,

427
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,960
the police have got
all my notebooks and my computers

428
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,800
and everything, so...

429
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,960
Notebooks? What's in those?

430
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,960
GLENN SIGHS

431
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,000
Fuck you. It was in the CPS report
that your office was searched

432
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960
and material seized, but
I didn't know there were notebooks.

433
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,800
You find me a PI
who doesn't write things down.

434
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,960
Well, what's in them?
Lines of inquiry?

435
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,960
Names of the people
you were hacking -

436
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,960
sorry, doing PI work on?

437
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,960
And the names of
who you were doing them for?

438
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,960
Names of
the News Of The World journalists.

439
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,960
Go away.

440
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,960
And take your cheap beer with you.

441
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960
I do not think...

442
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,960
genuinely, really do not think that
you should be the fall guy here.

443
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,960
Yeah, well, be careful
that you're not a fall guy too.

444
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,960
Eh, champ?

445
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,960
Now, please fuck off.

446
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,800
Let me do the one thing
I still enjoy.

447
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,960
All right.

448
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,320
Good luck.

449
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,960
'Mulcaire's given me an idea.'

450
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,960
'Good.
All he's given me is a headache.'

451
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,960
We need to get inside
the court system,

452
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,960
we need to get more information
released.

453
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,960
'Sorry?'

454
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960
They won't release documents to me.

455
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960
They will if they're compelled to
by a judge.

456
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960
'Hang on. Can you calm down?'

457
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,640
What?

458
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,960
Children.

459
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,960
You are aware it's the weekend?

460
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,640
Oh, right. The police
have Mulcaire's notebooks.

461
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,960
If we can get them into
the public eye, we'll see...

462
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,960
who hired who, how high this goes,
who was being hacked.

463
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,960
'I need...
We need compelled evidence.'

464
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,960
KIDS CHATTERING

465
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,960
You swapped between
"I need" and "We need"

466
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,960
in the same sentence,
do you know that?

467
00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,960
I know you've other clients.

468
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,960
I know you're building
several cases here.

469
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960
'Help me, it'll help you too.'

470
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,800
KIDS LAUGHING

471
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,960
We don't work together, Nick.

472
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,960
Well, of course we don't.
But we do have the same cause.

473
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,960
'I can't get inside the notebooks

474
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,960
'because I'm not mentioned
in the notebooks.'

475
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,960
But you find a client
who IS in there,

476
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,000
who has the bravery
to take it to court, suddenly...

477
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,160
you can see
how much this opens up.

478
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,960
Yeah.

479
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,800
SHE INHALES SHARPLY

480
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,960
Let me, erm...

481
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,480
There might be somebody
you could talk to.

482
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,960
Well, let me know
as soon as you can, OK?

483
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,960
Yes, I heard you. I'm on it.

484
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,640
OK, thanks. Bye.

485
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,320
There is an art to fear.

486
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,000
An art the News Of The World
and The Sun

487
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,960
and all those nasty buggers
mastered a long time ago.

488
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,960
They call it monstering.

489
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,160
Grievous emotional harm.

490
00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,960
The kind of injury from which
some victims simply never recover.

491
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,960
A monstering is intended
to destroy the victim involved,

492
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960
and it is intended to make sure

493
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960
that no-one stands up to them
ever again.

494
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,960
Take former Labour
government minister Clare Short.

495
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,960
She criticised The Sun's use
of topless women to sell the paper.

496
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,960
She found herself denounced
to millions as...

497
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,160
Killjoy Clare.

498
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,960
Short on looks...

499
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,960
Short on brains.

500
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,800
The paper offered free car stickers,

501
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,960
sent page three models
round to her home,

502
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,960
ran a beauty contest
to ask their readers

503
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,960
whether they would prefer to see
her face or the back of a bus.

504
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,160
PHOTOGRAPHERS CLAMOURING

505
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,960
The News Of The World
ran two bogus stories

506
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,480
suggesting Clare
was involved in pornography,

507
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,960
tried to buy old photographs of her
as a 20-year-old in a nightdress

508
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,960
and published a smear story

509
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960
which attempted to link her
to a West Indian gangster.

510
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,960
GUN COCKS, FIRES

511
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,320
They monstered her.

512
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,960
It was horrible.

513
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,160
In his diary, Alastair Campbell
recalls the ferocious monstering

514
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,960
which was given
to the then Transport Secretary,

515
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,000
Stephen Byers, in 2002.

516
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
It continued even after he resigned.

517
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,960
It's like they get a corpse,

518
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,960
but then they're disappointed
there's nothing left to kill.

519
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960
So they try and kill
the dead body too.

520
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,960
So standing up to it,

521
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,000
standing up to that paper
takes guts.

522
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,960
And possibly a little insanity.

523
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,960
Max, it's an honour.

524
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,000
An honour? Is that right?

525
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,960
Max Clifford.

526
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,960
King of the kiss and tell.

527
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,960
His job was
bargaining with the tabloids

528
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,960
to get the best headlines
and the most money

529
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960
for his string of clients.

530
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Didn't need to be true,
just needed to sell.

531
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,960
Do you remember
"Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster"?

532
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,960
He wrote that headline.

533
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,960
But maybe it takes a tabloid man
to kill the tabloids.

534
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,960
I'm sincerely grateful
for you being here.

535
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960
Charlotte explained your problem.

536
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,640
I have a feeling that our interests
might align on this.

537
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,960
They hacked me. That's on record.

538
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,960
And I want to find out
who signed off on it.

539
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,960
Well, that's extremely important.

540
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,000
We HOPE it will be important.

541
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,960
We've had our first disclosure. We
made an application to the courts.

542
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,960
This is everything
Mulcaire wrote about Max.

543
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,320
Hm.

544
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960
They've redacted everything.

545
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,480
In particular,
anything which might identify

546
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,960
the News Of The World journalists

547
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960
who might have
commissioned the hacking.

548
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,960
I'm going back to court.
We'll get more.

549
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,960
Question. When they disclosed
Gordon Taylor's paperwork,

550
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960
did they redact anything?

551
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,960
No.
Why start now?

552
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,960
Because it implicates them.

553
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,960
So did Gordon Taylor.

554
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,960
They're... They're working out
how to make themselves impenetrable.

555
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960
They're watching us.

556
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,960
You do know what you're taking on?

557
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,000
Do you know who you're talking to?

558
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,960
I believe Rebekah Brooks
is your friend.

559
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,160
Didn't you help her
when she was accused of assault?

560
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,960
I help her. But not in that case.

561
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960
I have my loyalties,
and I have beliefs.

562
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,960
I mean, I know Andy Coulson.

563
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,000
But him,
sitting next to the Prime Minister,

564
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,960
that's wrong in every way.

565
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,960
All the same...

566
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,320
I've spent my entire life
inside that machine.

567
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,960
I know what their guns smell like.

568
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Do you?

569
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,960
We need you, Max.

570
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,960
Christ. If I'm your best hope...

571
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,000
you're fucked.

572
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800
You look tired.

573
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,960
Are you sleeping?

574
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,960
Oh, I've definitely slept better.

575
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,960
That, erm, mortgage application,
did that come back at all?

576
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000
No, but there was
something else. Erm...

577
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,960
So, when I was picking the kids up,
er, someone I didn't recognise

578
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,000
started talking to me
about a Maggie someone.

579
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,640
Now, that's an ex of yours, right?

580
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,960
Oh, God. Did they see the kids?

581
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Yeah, I mean,
they kept it casual, but...

582
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,800
Shit!

583
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,960
Maggie?
God, they're desperately digging.

584
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960
I didn't like it, Nick.

585
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,000
School gate.

586
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,960
KNOCK AT DOOR

587
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800
Well, look, they approach you again,

588
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,960
you take out your phone,
you take a photograph.

589
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,960
OK.

590
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,000
And promise me it's not
gonna get worse than this.

591
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,960
Well, they'd be really stupid
to do anything I could print.

592
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,800
But I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.

593
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Will they find any skeletons?

594
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,480
If they look properly,
they'll find a cemetery.

595
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,960
KNOCKING
This is a delivery.

596
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,960
You stay where you are.
No, no, no. Let me go.

597
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,960
All right.
We'll... Let's talk later.

598
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,160
Bye, kids.

599
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,960
- Bye.
- Bye.

600
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,960
DOOR OPENS
Alan!

601
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Sheridan.
Oh...

602
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,800
How are you?

603
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,960
I'm good. You all right?
Mm.

604
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,960
I am, erm... I'll leave you to it.

605
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,960
Hello. You coming in?

606
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,960
No.

607
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960
I've got food on. There's enough.

608
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,960
I have some, er, good news,
actually.

609
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Max Clifford, of all people,
taking them to court.

610
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,960
John Ford thing's gone away.

611
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,960
Great.

612
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,960
You think I don't know how?

613
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,320
Let's talk inside.

614
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,480
Nick Davies,

615
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,960
always guaranteed to bring
a flamethrower to a knife fight.

616
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,160
It was the best thing to do.

617
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,960
You didn't think
to consult me beforehand?

618
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,320
It's gone away, Alan.

619
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Because you, erm...

620
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,320
What's the right word to use here?

621
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,960
..provoked them.

622
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,960
In Flat Earth News,
I found substantial proof

623
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
that The Sunday Times
were using John Ford.

624
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960
That doesn't matter.
Of course it matters.

625
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960
They were wrong to use John Ford.

626
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,960
I was wrong if I did,
inadvertently, use John Ford.

627
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960
And you were wrong to get involved

628
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960
in a way that wasn't asked for
and wasn't warranted.

629
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960
I was trying to broker peace
with John Witherow,

630
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,960
and you could have
destabilised that,

631
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,960
and starting a fight
with the News Of The World

632
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,960
and The Sunday Times...

633
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,960
I knew it would work.
Are you denying that it did?

634
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,160
No. But if you knew it would work,

635
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960
why didn't you make that call
at the very beginning?

636
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,320
Why did you try and find him?

637
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,640
Spend a couple of nights in a car
with David Leigh?

638
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,160
Jesus Christ, Nick, you're such a...

639
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,800
..hazard.

640
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,960
I was just following what was...

641
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Alan, come on. Look...
HE CHUCKLES

642
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,960
We need to keep pushing.

643
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,960
They will push back.
We need to keep pushing.

644
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,960
I get it, you're exhausted.

645
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,960
You think you're taking on
everyone by yourself,

646
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,640
but it's not just you in the box
on this one, Nick.

647
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,960
It's all of us.

648
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960
And I can't have a hand on your leg
the whole time.

649
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,480
CAR DOOR CLOSES

650
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,000
ENGINE STARTS

651
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,960
HE SIGHS

652
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,960
HE SIGHS

653
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
'What have you done?

654
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
'You stupid child.'

655
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960
PHONE BUZZES

656
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,960
Yeah?

657
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
'I guessed you'd be up.'
Yup.

658
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,960
'The Press Complaints Commission
have come back.'

659
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Not good news?

660
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,960
' "The PCC has seen
no new evidence

661
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,640
' "to suggest that the practice
of the phone messaging tapping

662
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,960
' "was undertaken by other
beyond Goodman and Mulcaire

663
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,960
' "or evidence that
the News Of The World executives

664
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,960
' "knew about Goodman
or Mulcaire's activities."

665
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,800
'You were right, Alan was wrong.
They haven't backed us either.'

666
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Yeah, OK.

667
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,960
'Sorry, Nick.'
Mm. Thanks for calling.

668
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,160
Bye.
'Bye.'

669
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,960
PHONE BUZZES

670
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960
'Please enter your four-digit PIN.'

671
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640
DIALLING

672
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,800
'Welcome to your voicemail.

673
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
'You have four new messages.

674
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,640
'To listen to your messages,
press one.'

675
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,320
BEEP
'Er, this is Carl.

676
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,960
'I'm here to read your meter.
You said you'd be here...'

677
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480
BEEP
'Message deleted. Next message.'

678
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,960
'Hey, it's Charlotte.

679
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,960
'We've entered
the amended claim for Max,

680
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,800
'and we're waiting for
the courts...'

681
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960
BEEP
'Message deleted. Next message.'

682
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,960
'Nick, hi, it's me.
Er, another one.

683
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,960
'Not sure if it's anything,
but a girl you used to...'

684
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
'Message deleted.

685
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,000
'Next message.'

686
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960
FEEDBACK,
ELECTRICAL WHIRRING

687
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960
HE TAKES DEEP BREATH

688
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,480
HE CLEARS THROAT

689
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,320
KNOCKING

690
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Hello, Dad.

691
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,480
You're looking thinner.

692
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,960
You look good.

693
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Still a charmer.

694
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960
CROCKERY RATTLING

695
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
I should be helping with that, Papa.

696
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,000
Ha. Should, would, could.

697
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,960
No, you can't.

698
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Anyway, these are the good hours.

699
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,960
What's that mean?

700
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Hips hurt, knees hurt,
back hurts till 11:00am,

701
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,960
and then again from 3:00pm.

702
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,960
But 11:00 till 3:00...
Is a holiday.

703
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Never get old.

704
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,960
So, you've got four good hours,
and you sleep for...

705
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,960
presumably eight...

706
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,960
Yes, well, don't turn it into
a maths puzzle.

707
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,160
I can still do the crossword,
however my hips feel.

708
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960
That's all that counts.

709
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:00,960
The crossword in The Times.

710
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,960
Should I stop buying The Times?

711
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Yes.

712
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,320
I won't.
I know.

713
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,960
I've, erm, been reading your pieces.

714
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,000
You even managed
to watch the Select Committee.

715
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960
I have no idea
how you even did that.

716
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,960
I'm not a dinosaur!

717
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,160
I can use the Internet.

718
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,960
So, is it all as hard as it looks?

719
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,960
It's fine.

720
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,480
You've got nothing to prove.

721
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,960
I'm not trying to prove anything.

722
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Your mother would have liked it.

723
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,960
All this trouble.

724
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,960
She always liked trouble.

725
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Just be safe with yourself.

726
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,960
That's all I ask.

727
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Just be safe.

728
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Thank you.

729
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,960
Fifth floor, yeah?

730
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960
TICKING

731
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,960
DOOR CREAKS

732
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,960
Mr Davies.
Assistant Commissioner.

733
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Thank you for coming in.
Thank you.

734
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Dick said we should meet.
Yes.

735
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Dick Fedorcio was kind enough
to arrange the meeting.

736
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,960
I thought it useful
so we could smooth matters over,

737
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,960
so we can help each other.

738
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Mm. I don't think I can help.

739
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,320
No, no, no. I'm here to help you.

740
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480
A story that makes
Scotland Yard look good.

741
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,480
I just need you to confirm
that in order to be able to,

742
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,960
er, inform all the potential victims
of the hacking,

743
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,960
that you've set up a new database

744
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
containing all the evidence
which you gathered in 2006.

745
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Have we?

746
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Er...

747
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Well, I've very good word

748
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,960
from lawyers who've been in touch
with the Yard,

749
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,960
saying that you're taking
the need to organise

750
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,640
the evidence which perhaps wasn't
organised quite so well seriously.

751
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
All right, fine.

752
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Maybe we have organised a database.

753
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,960
I will give you that.

754
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,480
But in return,

755
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960
maybe you can cease and desist
with briefing everyone against me.

756
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,960
We have nothing to do with
News International,

757
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,960
and you bloody well know it.

758
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,320
Assistant Commissioner,
my interest...

759
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,960
Do you think I don't know
what you're doing?

760
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,800
When I appeared in front of
that damn Select Committee,

761
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
I could see, I could see in
the eye movements of the MPs

762
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,960
that you'd briefed
all but one of them.

763
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,960
I'm sorry, eye movements?

764
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Mm-hm. I'm a clever cop, Mr Davies.

765
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Right.

766
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,960
Why didn't you pass the CPS
the email to Neville Thurlbeck

767
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,000
which clearly implicated him
in the hacking scandal?

768
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,320
Was it because,
well, as the CPS have said,

769
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,960
that you could only use a sample

770
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960
because the evidence
was unmanageable otherwise?

771
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960
No. The CPS were clear.

772
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,960
With the Regulation
of Investigatory Powers Act,

773
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,960
it is only a crime

774
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,960
if the intended victim
had not already heard the message.

775
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960
No-one interprets RIPA like that
except you.

776
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,960
All I want to know
is the extent of this.

777
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Can you tell me how many victims
of phone hacking

778
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,960
you've been able to identify?

779
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Mr Davies,

780
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,000
the Crown Prosecution Service
do not agree with you.

781
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,320
The Press Complaints Commission
do not agree with you.

782
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,960
And the Metropolitan Police
certainly do not agree with you.

783
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,960
There's dog-minded,
and then there's just dog.

784
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,960
This left-wing attack on Murdoch
by The Guardian...

785
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,480
If you can't give me a bald number,

786
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,960
just tell me how many victims
were in Mulcaire's notebooks.

787
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,960
HE LAUGHS

788
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
I have never fallen out
with a journalist before.

789
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,960
Well, you finally have done so.

790
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,320
Congratulations.

791
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,960
DOOR OPENS

792
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
HE SIGHS

793
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960
CHATTER

794
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960
This is Kate Saunders
from The Guardian newspaper...

795
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,960
PHONE RINGING

796
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,960
Hi.

797
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Look, I brought you a gift.

798
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,160
It's an "I'm not sorry" gift.

799
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,320
Gonna look?

800
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960
But I'm also, erm...

801
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,480
I'm stuck, so...

802
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,160
If calling it an "I'm not sorry"
gift is offensive,

803
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,960
call it a "damn" gift.

804
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,960
As in, "Damn, I'm stuck.
Please help".

805
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Why are you stuck?

806
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,960
They are... Everybody is...

807
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,960
HE SIGHS

808
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960
No-one is telling me the truth,
and I...

809
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Basic thing about you, Nick,

810
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,960
is that each time
you find someone lying to you,

811
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,960
you are utterly amazed,

812
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,960
even though you've devoted most
of your life to uncovering liars.

813
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,960
I wear the coat of a cynic
only to conceal the heart...

814
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,960
..of an agitated otter.

815
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,960
They, erm... Talking of cynicism,

816
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,960
they're now spreading a rumour
that I have a love child.

817
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,960
A love child.

818
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,960
They're coming after me too.

819
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,480
Sheridan's been farming
all sorts of calls.

820
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,160
But they're not telling lies
about you.

821
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,960
Why are the only lies about me?
Don't know.

822
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Because they think attacking me

823
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,960
is the easiest way
of shutting you up?

824
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960
Clever, really.

825
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,160
They know I need you.

826
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,960
How curious you choose now
to say something so kind.

827
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Oh, God.

828
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,000
I'm your Sancho Panza.

829
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,960
HE LAUGHS

830
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
I always thought I was yours.

831
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960
I'm sorry for making
your life difficult.

832
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,960
I don't...

833
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,480
I don't take our friendship
to mean that...

834
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,960
I don't - I don't expect you
to print everything I write.

835
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,960
You're just doing what you're doing.

836
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,960
Which is why you're the best.

837
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Which is why I pay you. Handsomely.

838
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,640
HE CHUCKLES

839
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,960
You're just as optimistic as me.

840
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,480
Christ, you thought the PCC
would come back on our side.

841
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,640
Even I didn't...

842
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,960
How a so-called industry regulator
could say that about us...

843
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Well, it's the death
of self-regulation.

844
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Me? What do I do?

845
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,960
Can't you call your Mr Apollo?

846
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,320
No, he's gone. Said he would.

847
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,960
He always contacted me,
never from the same line twice.

848
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Well, wait for Max Clifford
and your day in court.

849
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,960
Max is important, but we can't wait.
We're in a firefight here.

850
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
They're gonna keep slinging mud
till something sticks.

851
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Then...

852
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Oh, what about the phone companies?

853
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Sorry?

854
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Yates made that claim
in the Select Committee

855
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,960
that they'd asked the companies
if there were any other victims

856
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960
of Mulcaire and Goodman,
in order to take appropriate action.

857
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Yeah, I remember.
Well...

858
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,640
Ask the phone companies to disclose
how many victims they identified

859
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,960
and warned of being hacked.

860
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,960
You might get the hacked numbers
that way.

861
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,320
You're a genius, Sancho.

862
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,480
Never call me that again.

863
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,960
Go on. Click it.

864
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,960
Just click it.

865
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,960
PEN CLICKS
Got books. She's not naked.

866
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Those pens, you click, they're
naked, but she's covered in books.

867
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,960
It's a joke.
Thanks for explaining it to me.

868
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,960
I'll never use it.
I'll never ask you to.

869
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,960
Thank you.

870
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960
The Commissioner called
after you left Yates.

871
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
He said to me that, erm,

872
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960
your coverage of the hacking scandal

873
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,960
was exaggerated and incorrect.

874
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960
It's the first time
I've felt genuine confidence

875
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,320
that we're doing
absolutely the right thing.

876
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,960
NICK CHUCKLES SOFTLY

877
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Adios.

878
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,960
The Select Committee had,
of course, rumbled on after us,

879
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,960
meeting press,
politicians, the police.

880
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960
Trying to meet Rebekah Brooks -
she said no.

881
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,960
Though they succeeded
in meeting Andy Coulson, who said...

882
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,960
As little as possible.

883
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,960
But they were working it
as best they could.

884
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,640
And I was working with them
as best I could,

885
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,000
feeding them occasional questions.

886
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,960
Which we asked in our own way.

887
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,000
Hadn't occurred to me
that the police revealing -

888
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,960
in a memo written by Yates -

889
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
that the mobile phone companies
had been contacted...

890
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
was a way in.

891
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,160
The police provided
the individual phone companies

892
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,960
details of the telephone numbers.

893
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,960
And it was agreed that
they would individually research,

894
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,960
assess and address whether or not,
and to what degree,

895
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,640
their customers had been the subject
of contact by the suspects.

896
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,960
What I'm looking to find out is,
when the police contacted you,

897
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
what number of victims
you managed to trace

898
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960
and how many you contacted.

899
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,000
MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY
Right, but... Yes.

900
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,960
But John Yates was quoted
in the Select Committee

901
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,960
as saying you were spoken to, so...

902
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,320
MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY

903
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,960
My question is, did you ignore
the Assistant Commissioner

904
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960
of the Metropolitan Police?

905
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,160
- Yeah, sure. Sure, I'll hold.
- Nick.

906
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,960
O2, 40 victims.

907
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Now, it's only one.

908
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,160
It's only one.
When one goes, they all...

909
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,960
Yes, it is.
Now, O2 have just confirmed

910
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,320
that once they were alerted
by the police,

911
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,960
they contacted 40 hacking victims.

912
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,960
I just wondered
whether you have a number for us.

913
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,000
Or have you more to hide than them?

914
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,960
MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY
Great. Great. How many?

915
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,960
'Broadly the same as O2.'

916
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
You think you can do any better
than "Broadly the same as O2"?

917
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,640
Orange have come back
with 45 victims.

918
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,960
Do you want to match that number
instead?

919
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,320
MAN LAUGHING
IN NEWSROOM

920
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,960
No? OK. Right, OK.

921
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Well, thank you very much.
Thank you, bye.

922
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,960
O2, 40 victims.

923
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Vodafone, 40 victims,
Orange, 45 victims.

924
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,160
Together with the original eight,

925
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,000
that's more than 130 people
who had their phones hacked.

926
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,640
Far more than Yates said.

927
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,960
And this is just the tip
of a very, very big iceberg.

928
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,960
OK. Let's do it.

929
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,960
PRINTERS WHIRRING

930
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,000
'This wasn't just Goodman.

931
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,320
'This wasn't just the Royals.

932
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,960
'This was a practice.
This was our foothold.

933
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,960
'And yet...'

934
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,960
Even though News International
should have been on fire,

935
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
it, once again,
barely hit the sides.

936
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,960
DISTORTED WHIZZING

937
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,960
And no other newspaper thought
it was an important story either.

938
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,960
'Good scoop.'

939
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
The mobile phone companies,
very good.

940
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,320
Makes me happy
to hear you say words like "scoop".

941
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,960
Why, is that not what you say?
You ever said "You're nicked"?

942
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,960
I think I tried that once or twice
when I was a younger man.

943
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,960
It doesn't matter.
No-one's reporting it.

944
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Doesn't matter what it is,
we're just getting frozen out.

945
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
So try harder.
What?

946
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Try harder.
Stop pussyfooting around.

947
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,800
You think this is pussyfooting?

948
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,320
I put my paper on the line,
myself on the line.

949
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,960
But you're not nailing people.

950
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,960
You're not asking
the right questions.

951
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Oh, you're a journalist now?

952
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,960
Why was your Neville email
not passed on?

953
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Print the photo on your front page

954
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,640
of Assistant Commissioner John Yates
and Rebekah Brooks

955
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,960
sitting together
at the Police Bravery Awards.

956
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,960
They sat together?

957
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Print what she said in Parliament,

958
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,000
"We have paid the police
for information",

959
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,960
and say that doesnae even
go halfway to the truth.

960
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
There's a murky swamp
out there, Nick.

961
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,000
Top-tier police and the media.

962
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,960
And that needs reporting.

963
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960
I'm trying to write about
all these things.

964
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Unfortunately,
it's speculative and libellous.

965
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,960
You need evidence. So do I.

966
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960
If you want to help,
give me something concrete.

967
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960
All right. I've dug.

968
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,960
The case, the Neville email,
the hacking.

969
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,960
That case was given
to Specialist Operations.

970
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,320
Terrorist branch?

971
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,960
The boss at the time
was a guy called Andy Hayman.

972
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960
I know that name.

973
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Yeah, well, he disappeared.

974
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,960
Retirement in a puff of smoke.

975
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,960
And then reappeared...

976
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Er, yeah, writing articles
for The Times.

977
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,000
That's why I know the name.
Exactly.

978
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
The press goes through the police
like a stick of rock.

979
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,960
And News International,
they're the worst of the lot.

980
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,960
It's still speculative.

981
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Sorry, my friend. I need more.

982
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Aye.

983
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960
PHONE RINGS

984
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Charlotte. 'Hi.'
Tell me some good news.

985
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,960
'It's Max.'

986
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,320
Max.

987
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Fucking hell, you brought him?

988
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960
Max, we've got them on the rack.

989
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960
You settle, the whole thing
gets covered up again.

990
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960
You've got them on the rack?
With what?

991
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,960
What we need, I can't get.

992
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960
Stand tall.
Be the man who made a difference.

993
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,960
"Be the man"!
Do you listen to yourself?

994
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,960
This isn't...
Please, listen to my advice here.

995
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,320
You just want your piece of it.

996
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Oh, your backwoods deal?

997
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Oh, I like to think
I'm better than that.

998
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,960
No-one is better than money.
How much?

999
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Oh, go on! How much?

1000
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,960
Fuck off.

1001
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,960
Oh, well. We tried.

1002
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,960
The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford
more than £1 million.

1003
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Some to cover his legal costs,

1004
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,960
most in the form
of guaranteed income

1005
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
for stories he would sell them
over the next three years.

1006
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,960
This meant it could be presented

1007
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,640
as something other
than the payment of damages.

1008
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,320
This meant Charlotte
didn't get her cut.

1009
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,960
This meant it wasn't news.

1010
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Nobody was fooled,
but it was clever.

1011
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,960
Our biggest gun was spiked.

1012
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,960
'First election debate.

1013
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,960
'Tonight, history in the making,
as we are joined by

1014
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,960
'the leader of
the Liberal Democrats, Nick Clegg,

1015
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,960
'the Conservative Party leader,
David Cameron,

1016
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,960
'and the leader of the Labour Party,
Gordon Brown.'

1017
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,800
AUDIENCE APPLAUDING

1018
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,960
'The truth is,
power and secrecy walk hand in hand.

1019
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,960
'Power enjoys secrecy
because it increases its scope.

1020
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,960
'Power generates secrecy
simply because it can.

1021
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,960
'Downing Street, Scotland Yard,

1022
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960
'they're no different
to other powerful organisations.

1023
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,960
'They find secrecy easy,

1024
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,480
'natural and extremely helpful,

1025
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,960
'regardless of whether or not
it may cheat the public

1026
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,960
'of information to which
they have a profound right.

1027
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,960
'But here's the thing
about power and secrecy.

1028
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,960
'If you can expose the secrecy,

1029
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:01,960
'you might... you might, MIGHT...

1030
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960
'..break the power.'

1031
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
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